Comments on: Fact: demanding, liturgical churches attract youth http://ericsammons.com/blog/2009/12/21/fact-demanding-liturgical-churches-attract-youth/ Musings about the Catholic Faith Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:38:42 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: Necole Scolieri http://ericsammons.com/blog/2009/12/21/fact-demanding-liturgical-churches-attract-youth/comment-page-1/#comment-55065 Necole Scolieri Sat, 06 Aug 2011 08:46:28 +0000 http://ericsammons.com/blog/?p=6116#comment-55065 I do not even understand how I ended up here, but I believed this put up was good. I don't realize who you might be but definitely you are going to a well-known blogger when you aren't already ;) Cheers! I do not even understand how I ended up here, but I believed this put up was good. I don’t realize who you might be but definitely you are going to a well-known blogger when you aren’t already ;) Cheers!

]]> By: Emmanuel Olusegun Oikelome http://ericsammons.com/blog/2009/12/21/fact-demanding-liturgical-churches-attract-youth/comment-page-1/#comment-21815 Emmanuel Olusegun Oikelome Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:12:02 +0000 http://ericsammons.com/blog/?p=6116#comment-21815 Isee them in the football fields ,clubs etc .With our tired leadership and uninspiring sermons, it's not difficult to see why.New visions new wine, for you can't put new wine in old wine skins.It is time to invest in the energy of the youth with wisdom of the old Isee them in the football fields ,clubs etc .With our tired leadership and uninspiring sermons, it’s not difficult to see why.New visions new wine, for you can’t put new wine in old wine skins.It is time to invest in the energy of the youth with wisdom of the old

]]> By: Rick http://ericsammons.com/blog/2009/12/21/fact-demanding-liturgical-churches-attract-youth/comment-page-1/#comment-13902 Rick Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:56:01 +0000 http://ericsammons.com/blog/?p=6116#comment-13902 Hilarious, John! Complaining, grousing, judging others, comparing other forms of worship to what you get in bars (I guess you speak from experience). You say this in the same breath as 'damn little about Jesus'. If you don't see the irony in that, then you know 'damn little about jesus'. Hilarious, John! Complaining, grousing, judging others, comparing other forms of worship to what you get in bars (I guess you speak from experience). You say this in the same breath as ‘damn little about Jesus’. If you don’t see the irony in that, then you know ‘damn little about jesus’.

]]> By: John http://ericsammons.com/blog/2009/12/21/fact-demanding-liturgical-churches-attract-youth/comment-page-1/#comment-13341 John Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:10:44 +0000 http://ericsammons.com/blog/?p=6116#comment-13341 Ya I've seen it over and over, churches offering the Latin Mass pre vat2 are packed to the rafters with mostly 18-40yr old people.At my local church the 10.000 or so masses in english spanish french swahili magyar ete etc on Sunday are almost totally greyheaded so 60's and boring. No challenge,no commitment, damn little about Jesus, just love love love, touchy feel oh so good. I get that crap at my local bar. Ya I’ve seen it over and over, churches offering the Latin Mass pre vat2 are packed to the rafters with mostly 18-40yr old people.At my local church the 10.000 or so masses in english spanish french swahili magyar ete etc on Sunday are almost totally greyheaded so 60’s and boring. No challenge,no commitment, damn little about Jesus, just love love love, touchy feel oh so good. I get that crap at my local bar.

]]> By: Joshua Taylor http://ericsammons.com/blog/2009/12/21/fact-demanding-liturgical-churches-attract-youth/comment-page-1/#comment-12881 Joshua Taylor Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:07:07 +0000 http://ericsammons.com/blog/?p=6116#comment-12881 my grandfather is also a baby boomer and he is also a war veteran,;' my grandfather is also a baby boomer and he is also a war veteran,;’

]]> By: Top 10 Most Commented Posts of 2009 « Divine Life – A Blog by Eric Sammons http://ericsammons.com/blog/2009/12/21/fact-demanding-liturgical-churches-attract-youth/comment-page-1/#comment-6130 Top 10 Most Commented Posts of 2009 « Divine Life – A Blog by Eric Sammons Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:01:40 +0000 http://ericsammons.com/blog/?p=6116#comment-6130 [...] Fact: demanding, liturgical churches attract youth. Rule #1 of Catholic blogs: discussion of [...] [...] Fact: demanding, liturgical churches attract youth. Rule #1 of Catholic blogs: discussion of [...]

]]> By: Rick http://ericsammons.com/blog/2009/12/21/fact-demanding-liturgical-churches-attract-youth/comment-page-1/#comment-5940 Rick Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:16:50 +0000 http://ericsammons.com/blog/?p=6116#comment-5940 Sorry to misspell Catholicism. I hit the "post" button prematurely. Sorry to misspell Catholicism. I hit the “post” button prematurely.

]]> By: Rick http://ericsammons.com/blog/2009/12/21/fact-demanding-liturgical-churches-attract-youth/comment-page-1/#comment-5939 Rick Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:15:09 +0000 http://ericsammons.com/blog/?p=6116#comment-5939 Back to relevance. Cosmology, geology and genetics have removed God from a central, active role in creation of the universe and humanity. This is what all faiths face. An increasing number of educated people view old ideas about afterlife as quaint, and are no longer as easily intimidated as they once were. The church/mosque/sangha/synogogue are now competing with pop culture on perceived equal footing - and most of us are losing. People are looking for personal relevance and flocking to charismatic churches and other alternatives to what they see as the "same old thing". People are looking for something deep and personally transformative. I agree with the author that this requires effort, time and commitment; however, the charismatics offer a quick and easy route. Hence, their popularity. My tradition is not evangelical, so this is easy for me. We freely offer what we think is true to our core beliefs and relevant to a person living in this modern world. Evangelical faiths like Catholacism have a much more difficult path. Back to relevance. Cosmology, geology and genetics have removed God from a central, active role in creation of the universe and humanity. This is what all faiths face. An increasing number of educated people view old ideas about afterlife as quaint, and are no longer as easily intimidated as they once were. The church/mosque/sangha/synogogue are now competing with pop culture on perceived equal footing – and most of us are losing. People are looking for personal relevance and flocking to charismatic churches and other alternatives to what they see as the “same old thing”. People are looking for something deep and personally transformative.
I agree with the author that this requires effort, time and commitment; however, the charismatics offer a quick and easy route. Hence, their popularity.
My tradition is not evangelical, so this is easy for me. We freely offer what we think is true to our core beliefs and relevant to a person living in this modern world. Evangelical faiths like Catholacism have a much more difficult path.

]]> By: Anthony http://ericsammons.com/blog/2009/12/21/fact-demanding-liturgical-churches-attract-youth/comment-page-1/#comment-5922 Anthony Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:27:18 +0000 http://ericsammons.com/blog/?p=6116#comment-5922 I was all with you until your last sentence. I totally agree with why they fall away along with yourself. I rejoice that you were brought back by God. However, your last sentence reeked of judgement and closed-mindedness. True beauty comes in all shapes and forms. Landscape, people...worship. To say that there is only one true worship experience is wrong. If God is the god of all (and He is, Im sure we both agree with that) then why can he not be worshiped and glorified in different ways? I was all with you until your last sentence. I totally agree with why they fall away along with yourself. I rejoice that you were brought back by God.

However, your last sentence reeked of judgement and closed-mindedness. True beauty comes in all shapes and forms. Landscape, people…worship. To say that there is only one true worship experience is wrong. If God is the god of all (and He is, Im sure we both agree with that) then why can he not be worshiped and glorified in different ways?

]]> By: OIKELOME Emmanuel http://ericsammons.com/blog/2009/12/21/fact-demanding-liturgical-churches-attract-youth/comment-page-1/#comment-5921 OIKELOME Emmanuel Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:25:58 +0000 http://ericsammons.com/blog/?p=6116#comment-5921 There is an African saying ,"If you have not been to another man's farm , you'll say your father's is the biggest" In the United kingdom ,it is an established fact(Gov. Stats. church trends) that the youth population in Church is declining,fastest amongs the lithurgal churches and the only church showing growth right accross the age divide,expecially the youth's , is the independent, pentecostal charismatic churches. Myself and like minded christians with pentecostal nonliturgal background are trying to reach to christians on all sides to provide the right balance the church needs regardless of methodology and draw men and women back to church, If i be lifted up, i will draw all men unto me There is an African saying ,”If you have not been to another man’s farm , you’ll say your father’s is the biggest” In the United kingdom ,it is an established fact(Gov. Stats. church trends) that the youth population in Church is declining,fastest amongs the lithurgal churches and the only church showing growth right accross the age divide,expecially the youth’s , is the independent, pentecostal charismatic churches.
Myself and like minded christians with pentecostal nonliturgal background are trying to reach to christians on all sides to provide the right balance the church needs regardless of methodology and draw men and women back to church, If i be lifted up, i will draw all men unto me

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