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		<title>By: justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 01:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, 
For the most part I like &#039;em too, and Dave and I saw the last movie at the theater for our one and only real date this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,<br />
For the most part I like &#8216;em too, and Dave and I saw the last movie at the theater for our one and only real date this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Controversy/Conversation Continues &#124; Wandlore.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Controversy/Conversation Continues &#124; Wandlore.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Coming Out of the Closet: Here a conservative Catholic blogger admits at enlarged last to being a Potter-phile &#8212; and is met immediately with anathemas and accusations of apostasy. Fortunately, Perelandra steps in to straighten the Star Chamber true-believers out. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Coming Out of the Closet: Here a conservative Catholic blogger admits at enlarged last to being a Potter-phile &#8212; and is met immediately with anathemas and accusations of apostasy. Fortunately, Perelandra steps in to straighten the Star Chamber true-believers out. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: baw</title>
		<link>http://ericsammons.com/blog/2009/07/14/coming-out-of-the-closet/comment-page-1/#comment-1969</link>
		<dc:creator>baw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JKR is a Presbyterian; I think that qualifies as a type of Christian.  Of course she researched real-world occult practices, but she also scrambled them in the books.  The only two forms of magic that resemble real-world occult practices are Prof. Trelawney&#039;s Divination--described as a very unreliable form of magic (at best) and at worst Trelawney is a right old fraud--and Voldemort&#039;s reconstitution, which is depicted as a very wicked form of magic that no sorcerer with a shred of decency would have anything to do with.  

Harry&#039;s House at Hogwarts is symbolized by a Gryffon; a Gryffon is a symbol of Christ.

In &quot;Chamber of Secrets&quot;, Harry must descend to a cave deep below the castle to battle an enormous deadly Serpent, whom he defeats by the aid of a Phoenix, which then carrys him up, back to the world of the living.  The Phoenix is another symbol of Christ.

Harry drives off the Dementors, spirits of Depression and Despair, by calling for his &quot;Patronus&quot;, protecting spirit, which takes the shape of a Stag--again, a symbol of Christ.

Finally, the last book is so absolutely rife with Christian symbolilsm that I can&#039;t describe it all without giving away too much of the plot.

You who continue to vilify JKR, what part of &quot;thou shalt not bear false witness&quot; don&#039;t you understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JKR is a Presbyterian; I think that qualifies as a type of Christian.  Of course she researched real-world occult practices, but she also scrambled them in the books.  The only two forms of magic that resemble real-world occult practices are Prof. Trelawney&#8217;s Divination&#8211;described as a very unreliable form of magic (at best) and at worst Trelawney is a right old fraud&#8211;and Voldemort&#8217;s reconstitution, which is depicted as a very wicked form of magic that no sorcerer with a shred of decency would have anything to do with.  </p>
<p>Harry&#8217;s House at Hogwarts is symbolized by a Gryffon; a Gryffon is a symbol of Christ.</p>
<p>In &#8220;Chamber of Secrets&#8221;, Harry must descend to a cave deep below the castle to battle an enormous deadly Serpent, whom he defeats by the aid of a Phoenix, which then carrys him up, back to the world of the living.  The Phoenix is another symbol of Christ.</p>
<p>Harry drives off the Dementors, spirits of Depression and Despair, by calling for his &#8220;Patronus&#8221;, protecting spirit, which takes the shape of a Stag&#8211;again, a symbol of Christ.</p>
<p>Finally, the last book is so absolutely rife with Christian symbolilsm that I can&#8217;t describe it all without giving away too much of the plot.</p>
<p>You who continue to vilify JKR, what part of &#8220;thou shalt not bear false witness&#8221; don&#8217;t you understand?</p>
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		<title>By: HogwartsProfessor.com &#183; Christian Controversy/Conversation Continues</title>
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		<dc:creator>HogwartsProfessor.com &#183; Christian Controversy/Conversation Continues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Coming Out of the Closet: Here a conservative Catholic blogger admits at long last to being a Potter-phile &#8212; and is met immediately with anathemas and accusations of apostasy. Fortunately, Perelandra steps in to straighten the Star Chamber true-believers out. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Coming Out of the Closet: Here a conservative Catholic blogger admits at long last to being a Potter-phile &#8212; and is met immediately with anathemas and accusations of apostasy. Fortunately, Perelandra steps in to straighten the Star Chamber true-believers out. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a fan of these novels for the same reasons that Eric is but can understand the objections of others on this post.  Although I&#039;m not yet a parent, I worry daily about the downward spiral of our culture and how it may affect my children in the future.  The primary danger that I see in these books is if a child is so deeply obsessed with the alternative reality of these novels that they become socially withdrawn and prefer to live in the fantasy of the Harry Potter subculture.  This social phenomenon is similar to the cult mentality around Star Wars, Star Trek, and Lord of the Rings.  This obsession won&#039;t automatically lead to dabbling in the occult or witchcraft, but it isn&#039;t healthy to allow it to shove one&#039;s faith or other relationships into the back seat.  If parents recognize it, it&#039;s probably a good thing to curtail and talk to them about.  Obviously its important for parents of children to adequately catechize their children and make them aware that any of these books (Harry Potter, Narnia, LOTR, etc) are works of fiction and talk to them about the positive themes and values in the stories.  Obviously it&#039;s good to encourage children to think critically about any literature they read and always view anything through the lens of their catholic faith!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a fan of these novels for the same reasons that Eric is but can understand the objections of others on this post.  Although I&#8217;m not yet a parent, I worry daily about the downward spiral of our culture and how it may affect my children in the future.  The primary danger that I see in these books is if a child is so deeply obsessed with the alternative reality of these novels that they become socially withdrawn and prefer to live in the fantasy of the Harry Potter subculture.  This social phenomenon is similar to the cult mentality around Star Wars, Star Trek, and Lord of the Rings.  This obsession won&#8217;t automatically lead to dabbling in the occult or witchcraft, but it isn&#8217;t healthy to allow it to shove one&#8217;s faith or other relationships into the back seat.  If parents recognize it, it&#8217;s probably a good thing to curtail and talk to them about.  Obviously its important for parents of children to adequately catechize their children and make them aware that any of these books (Harry Potter, Narnia, LOTR, etc) are works of fiction and talk to them about the positive themes and values in the stories.  Obviously it&#8217;s good to encourage children to think critically about any literature they read and always view anything through the lens of their catholic faith!</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra Miesel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra Miesel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly, you are sadly misinformed. Harry does not &quot;use magic&quot; to fullfil sinful desires. He learns to forgive his enemies, saves their lives, and willingly lays down his life for others. He even exhorts the Dark Lord to repent. These are hardly the values of the Satanic Bible!

There are no real spells in HP. None. Nada. Harry&#039;s spells involve waving his wand (which has a core of phoenix feather) and saying a simple Latinate word or phrase. There is no resemblence to Neo-Pagan witchcraft. As for mentioning the names of real witches, where? Nicholas Flamel was an alchemist, not a magus, and a devout Catholic.

Who claims that Rowling consulted &quot;real witches&quot;? Name your authorities. How does your source know that? All that she&#039;s said about her research was that she learned about &quot;a ridiculous amount about alchemy.&quot; Reject HP all you want. Clearly these books aren&#039;t for you. But please don&#039;t misrepresent their contents or listen to people who do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly, you are sadly misinformed. Harry does not &#8220;use magic&#8221; to fullfil sinful desires. He learns to forgive his enemies, saves their lives, and willingly lays down his life for others. He even exhorts the Dark Lord to repent. These are hardly the values of the Satanic Bible!</p>
<p>There are no real spells in HP. None. Nada. Harry&#8217;s spells involve waving his wand (which has a core of phoenix feather) and saying a simple Latinate word or phrase. There is no resemblence to Neo-Pagan witchcraft. As for mentioning the names of real witches, where? Nicholas Flamel was an alchemist, not a magus, and a devout Catholic.</p>
<p>Who claims that Rowling consulted &#8220;real witches&#8221;? Name your authorities. How does your source know that? All that she&#8217;s said about her research was that she learned about &#8220;a ridiculous amount about alchemy.&#8221; Reject HP all you want. Clearly these books aren&#8217;t for you. But please don&#8217;t misrepresent their contents or listen to people who do.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I home schooled with Seaton they would have laughed if I told them we were doing a book report on Harry Potter.  

Did you understand what I posted , the people who frown on this book? Those who fight the very things HP promotes, are the ones who encourage us to stay away from it.  Do you understand the power in that. What these people see and hear. What they experience.  Dosent that mean anything? 

Here is a comment from someone whom is in that catagory.  &quot;The last aspect which disturbed me greatly is the fact that Harry uses his magic to get what he wants, the list almost matches the seven deadly sins, wealth, power, pride, envy, anger and lust.  (Harry gets what he wants through magic) proves power over parents, authority, and fellows, vengeance against those who would dare trod upon his ground, and finally wins the girl in the end. This very much fits the first commandment of the &quot;Satanic Bible&quot; &quot;Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law.&quot;  

There is much more that HP fans clearly dont understand.  Again I would encourage you to do your homework. HP is seeped in the occult.   

Thanks for conversing with me.  You have been very charitable.  I will close with this.  This book has caused a lot of confusion of what is good and what is evil.  Who is the master of confusion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I home schooled with Seaton they would have laughed if I told them we were doing a book report on Harry Potter.  </p>
<p>Did you understand what I posted , the people who frown on this book? Those who fight the very things HP promotes, are the ones who encourage us to stay away from it.  Do you understand the power in that. What these people see and hear. What they experience.  Dosent that mean anything? </p>
<p>Here is a comment from someone whom is in that catagory.  &#8220;The last aspect which disturbed me greatly is the fact that Harry uses his magic to get what he wants, the list almost matches the seven deadly sins, wealth, power, pride, envy, anger and lust.  (Harry gets what he wants through magic) proves power over parents, authority, and fellows, vengeance against those who would dare trod upon his ground, and finally wins the girl in the end. This very much fits the first commandment of the &#8220;Satanic Bible&#8221; &#8220;Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law.&#8221;  </p>
<p>There is much more that HP fans clearly dont understand.  Again I would encourage you to do your homework. HP is seeped in the occult.   </p>
<p>Thanks for conversing with me.  You have been very charitable.  I will close with this.  This book has caused a lot of confusion of what is good and what is evil.  Who is the master of confusion?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Sammons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Sammons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly,

I applaud your desire to keep your mind on things that are pure and holy and I believe we should all strive to do this. That is a primary reason why we don&#039;t own a TV, why we homeschool, why we strictly control what our children can read, and why we don&#039;t allow our children to be exposed to the garbage out there that passes for &quot;entertainment.&quot; 

But I would strongly disagree with your assessment that Harry Potter falls into the category of evil influences. In fact, I would argue that they can be a very positive influence on children. I have spent years forming my mind to the Catholic Faith and after reading these books I can say with confidence that they are not contrary to that Faith. But I am not infallible, so that is why I urge anyone interested to find out on their own by reading the actual books - that is by far the best research anyone can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly,</p>
<p>I applaud your desire to keep your mind on things that are pure and holy and I believe we should all strive to do this. That is a primary reason why we don&#8217;t own a TV, why we homeschool, why we strictly control what our children can read, and why we don&#8217;t allow our children to be exposed to the garbage out there that passes for &#8220;entertainment.&#8221; </p>
<p>But I would strongly disagree with your assessment that Harry Potter falls into the category of evil influences. In fact, I would argue that they can be a very positive influence on children. I have spent years forming my mind to the Catholic Faith and after reading these books I can say with confidence that they are not contrary to that Faith. But I am not infallible, so that is why I urge anyone interested to find out on their own by reading the actual books &#8211; that is by far the best research anyone can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your claim that we must read them is false.  I have done a lot of research on HP.  I know whom she researched to find her materials. I know she went to real withches.  I know she uses real incantations. Real names of witches.   I wont fill my mind with the garbage of evil.  And no catholic should.  Everything I have found out about HP is to much for this site.  Do the research for yourselves.   Its out therel Talk to people and clergy whom battle these issues daily.  Talk to those who perform exor. on people who are trying to get out of the circle of witchcraft. You people are treading on dangerous grounds.  
You have been conditioned to think it  is ok to fill your minds with such things in HP.  We have fallen to the secular societies view of it cant affect me , but in reality you have already been affected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your claim that we must read them is false.  I have done a lot of research on HP.  I know whom she researched to find her materials. I know she went to real withches.  I know she uses real incantations. Real names of witches.   I wont fill my mind with the garbage of evil.  And no catholic should.  Everything I have found out about HP is to much for this site.  Do the research for yourselves.   Its out therel Talk to people and clergy whom battle these issues daily.  Talk to those who perform exor. on people who are trying to get out of the circle of witchcraft. You people are treading on dangerous grounds.<br />
You have been conditioned to think it  is ok to fill your minds with such things in HP.  We have fallen to the secular societies view of it cant affect me , but in reality you have already been affected.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Sammons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Sammons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly,

There are a number of problems with your analysis.

1) We are not allowed to dabble in sorcery or witchcraft in real life. There is no injunction in the Bible against reading fantasy literature, which often uses magic in a fantastical way (thus the genre name) to make the made-up world more interesting. For example, in Lord of the Rings, the elves have many magical powers which they use for good - should LOTR be condemned then? If your standard is &quot;mention magic&quot;=&quot;evil&quot;, then all fantasy literature, including LOTR, must be condemned. 

2) The pope has not condemned Harry Potter. As Sandra mentioned previously, he has never read the books nor has he definitely pronounced judgement on them in any manner.

3) I agree that one does not need personal experience to &quot;vilify&quot; certain things that are unquestionably wrong. Playboy, for example. His Dark Materials, for another. However, in both those cases, ALL faithful Catholics agree that the material in question is dangerous and evil. In the case of Harry Potter, however, many, many faithful Catholics (including many clergy) have come out in favor of the series. So we are not &quot;forgetting what our leaders are telling us.&quot; This is a case of prudential judgement left to the faithful, and we are allowed to decide for ourselves whether or not we want to allow our children to read the books. But because it is a prudential judgement and not a case of objective evil, I would submit that one cannot make a claim for or against them without reading them for himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly,</p>
<p>There are a number of problems with your analysis.</p>
<p>1) We are not allowed to dabble in sorcery or witchcraft in real life. There is no injunction in the Bible against reading fantasy literature, which often uses magic in a fantastical way (thus the genre name) to make the made-up world more interesting. For example, in Lord of the Rings, the elves have many magical powers which they use for good &#8211; should LOTR be condemned then? If your standard is &#8220;mention magic&#8221;=&#8221;evil&#8221;, then all fantasy literature, including LOTR, must be condemned. </p>
<p>2) The pope has not condemned Harry Potter. As Sandra mentioned previously, he has never read the books nor has he definitely pronounced judgement on them in any manner.</p>
<p>3) I agree that one does not need personal experience to &#8220;vilify&#8221; certain things that are unquestionably wrong. Playboy, for example. His Dark Materials, for another. However, in both those cases, ALL faithful Catholics agree that the material in question is dangerous and evil. In the case of Harry Potter, however, many, many faithful Catholics (including many clergy) have come out in favor of the series. So we are not &#8220;forgetting what our leaders are telling us.&#8221; This is a case of prudential judgement left to the faithful, and we are allowed to decide for ourselves whether or not we want to allow our children to read the books. But because it is a prudential judgement and not a case of objective evil, I would submit that one cannot make a claim for or against them without reading them for himself.</p>
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